| Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #57681] |
Mi, 08 Juni 2005 12:11 |
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[Spoilers below]
[look away now]
[this is your last chance...]
What in the name of zarking fardwarks has Dirk 'Turlingdrome' Maggs
done to the plot of Mostly Harmless?
OK, I can see why they wanted to reintroduce Zaphod (cos MWD wanted to
be in it, so hey...), but they didn't need to make Zarniwhoop = Van
Haarl and they really didn't need to make Van Haarl a Vogon in
disguise.
I mean what gives, man?
Ric.
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #57682 ] |
Mi, 08 Juni 2005 13:09 |
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frantic [at] notme.com wrote:
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> What in the name of zarking fardwarks has Dirk 'Turlingdrome' Maggs
> done to the plot of Mostly Harmless?
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Look on the bright side. At least they *didn't* bring Humma Kavula
into it!
Personally, I think it's great that the show's following the old DNA
tradition of re-inventing, re-interpreting and re-writing itself.
(Actually, that's something that the other sort of DNA does too. He
was aptly named!)
Now, if this froup had been around 25 years ago, you'd probably have
been complaining that the books had changed the plot by moving
Milliways from Magrathea to the Frogstar, etc. etc. Some people are
never happy unless everything's always exactly the way it's always
been.
OTOH I love all the changes, and I want to see where the story will go
with this new set-up. Just relax and enjoy the ride.
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #57686 ] |
Mi, 08 Juni 2005 19:48 |
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #58507 ] |
Do, 09 Juni 2005 23:11 |
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<pippa.moran [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118228971.307648.259300 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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> Personally, I think it's great that the show's following the old DNA
> tradition of re-inventing, re-interpreting and re-writing itself.
That's because it *is* great to "reinvent" like this - like DNA himself
would surely have done. DNA 'fanboys' just don't seem to get this - for some
odd reason, they want a literal interpretation of the book. Artistic license
is seemingly beyond them.
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #58510 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 00:49 |
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"Slitheen" <slitheen [at] nospam.com> hit the keyboard.
Afterwards the following was on the screen:
> <pippa.moran [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1118228971.307648.259300 [at] f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
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>> Personally, I think it's great that the show's following the old DNA
>> tradition of re-inventing, re-interpreting and re-writing itself.
>
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> That's because it *is* great to "reinvent" like this - like DNA himself
> would surely have done. DNA 'fanboys' just don't seem to get this - for some
> odd reason, they want a literal interpretation of the book. Artistic license
> is seemingly beyond them.
That is not entirely true. Many froupies actually value the diversity
between the different versions of the stories.
Anyway I like it a lot. I almost can't wait till (!) next week.
/Rasmus
(who thinks it would be nice if Gusty showed up; at last I got the
script and now the froup production has stalled ;o)
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We're here to *HACK* boxes not to Patch them!
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #59705 ] |
Fr, 10 Juni 2005 12:48 |
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> Er, correct me if I'm wrong, but Van Haarl *WAS* a Vogon in disguise,
> wasn't he? Wasn't that the whole point?
Just flicked through my copy of MH (its been a few years since I read
it last) and couldn't find any reference to Vann Harl actually being a
vogon. But I may have missed it.
Certainly, he is in league with them and InfiniDim employs a lot of
vogons, but that doesn't necessarily make him a vogon...
Ric.
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #59714 ] |
Sa, 11 Juni 2005 10:22 |
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<frantic [at] notme.com> wrote in message
news:1118225470.308622.89560 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> [Spoilers below]
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> What in the name of zarking fardwarks has Dirk 'Turlingdrome' Maggs
> done to the plot of Mostly Harmless?
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> OK, I can see why they wanted to reintroduce Zaphod (cos MWD wanted to
> be in it, so hey...),
Perhaps it had something to do with the fact that the Secondary Phase
didn't really fit anywhere in the storyline and was bypassed leaving
Zaphods adventures in it unexplained further on...bringing him into
this explains the discrepancies more, don't u think?
but they didn't need to make Zarniwhoop = Van
> Haarl and they really didn't need to make Van Haarl a Vogon in
> disguise.
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> I mean what gives, man?
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> Ric.
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #59724 ] |
Sa, 11 Juni 2005 16:26 |
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"scojo the moo" <binarycode [at] onetel.net.uk> wrote
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> I believe the portable Total Perspective Vortex unit is new material
> and explains why Zaphod was inhabiting an alternate artificial universe
> in series two. Not quite sure how he and Trillian managed to end up
> back on The Heart of Gold at the beginning of series three, but never
> mind... best to go with the flow and not think about it too much.:)
>
It is another attempt to try and make sense of the radio show storyline not
following where it was going before. They tried to explain it previously
which I think was enough. They're maybe overdoing the explanations thing a
bit now.
I actually quite like the latest series. It isn't deviation that is objected
to. In previous incarnations the storyline is mucked about with. You can
divide HHGG into little scenes, guide entries,
bits-that-are-there-for-the-purpose-of-being-able-to-do-a-ch eap-gag and so
on. Take all these bits and jumble them up and it wouldn't matter too much.
As it is Arthur and the guys are flitting back and forth through time space
and the improbable.
To me it isn't 'the story' that is important - it's all the clever and
funny stuff. The new series is good because it is adding funny stuff. The
film and the last series took funny and clever stuff away.
Steve M
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #59731 ] |
So, 12 Juni 2005 16:52 |
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On 11/06/2005 15:26, five wild Event Maelstroms swirled in vicious storms of
unreason and Steve Marshall spewed up:
> To me it isn't 'the story' that is important - it's all the clever and
> funny stuff. The new series is good because it is adding funny stuff. The
> film and the last series took funny and clever stuff away.
We've done those arguments. Lots.
--
John Coxon
"IRTA 'Virgins suck even more'." - MEow (afdaniain)
Email: john[dot]coxon[at]gmail[dot]com
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Missing footnotes: http://www.nut.house.cx/cgi-bin/nemowiki.pl?ISFN
ZZ9 - the official HHGG appreciation society: http://www.zz9.org/
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #60840 ] |
Mo, 13 Juni 2005 18:02 |
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>DNA 'fanboys' just don't seem to get this - for some odd reason, they want
>a literal interpretation of the book.
Which is what they got with the Tertiary Phase - and it didn't quite come
off, did it?
4th series was a return to form and I'm excited about the 5th!
Cheers
Blippie
--
Ten minutes of this rain will do more good in half an hour
than a fortnight of ordinary rain in a month.
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #60842 ] |
Mo, 13 Juni 2005 20:42 |
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"Blippie" <alt.aviation.roswell.wannabe.wannabe.wannabe> wrote in
news:6JednWfQ-vf5MjDfRVnyhQ [at] brightview.com:
>>DNA 'fanboys' just don't seem to get this - for some odd reason, they
>>want a literal interpretation of the book.
>
> Which is what they got with the Tertiary Phase - and it didn't quite
> come off, did it?
Well, opinions vary as to the relative merits of the books, but I think
the Tertiary Phase came off okay as an adaptation of LTUAE. It's just that
LTUAE has a different feel, being largely a Dr Who story with Hitchhiker's
characters shoe-horned into it (with varying degrees of success).
> 4th series was a return to form and I'm excited about the 5th!
Yes, the Quintessential Phase has been great so far. Roll on Tuesday!
--
iain
afda [at] imb.clara.net http://www.zootle.net/afda/
"how can you say that iain is a furyy fpevcg?!" - kristen
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #60846 ] |
Mo, 13 Juni 2005 22:17 |
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iain wrote:
> "Blippie" <alt.aviation.roswell.wannabe.wannabe.wannabe> wrote in
> news:6JednWfQ-vf5MjDfRVnyhQ [at] brightview.com:
>
>
>>>DNA 'fanboys' just don't seem to get this - for some odd reason, they
>>>want a literal interpretation of the book.
>>
>>Which is what they got with the Tertiary Phase - and it didn't quite
>>come off, did it?
>
>
> Well, opinions vary as to the relative merits of the books, but I think
> the Tertiary Phase came off okay as an adaptation of LTUAE. It's just that
> LTUAE has a different feel, being largely a Dr Who story with Hitchhiker's
> characters shoe-horned into it (with varying degrees of success).
>
>
>>4th series was a return to form and I'm excited about the 5th!
>
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> Yes, the Quintessential Phase has been great so far. Roll on Tuesday!
I've been very satisfied with the 3rd radio series, and most of the
fourth, although I prefer Tertieary phase over Quandary. So far I really
like the Quintessential - somehow it's just a refreshing replay in the
same jokes for different reasons and in different order - really
Hitchhiker'ish.
I didn't like Colin's voice, though, but I'm probably hard to please,
since I like Colin so much :-)
One thing, though: They're cutting it close to get a proper handling of
Random, the Perfectly Normal Beasts, the King's Domain, all of which I'm
really looking forward to. However, I'm not too worried, since I'm
certain that even if it get's a bit rushed it will be just perfect when
I buy it from the BBC, just as all the bits I missed from the Tertiary
Phase were there. (I haven't bought Quandary yet, but with the quality
material we've been served so far, I'm sure I will be more than satisfied).
Best
Kåre
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #60850 ] |
Di, 14 Juni 2005 02:53 |
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"John Coxon" <rogue_nine_1988 [at] hotmail.com> wrote
Steve Marshall wrote
> > To me it isn't 'the story' that is important - it's all the clever and
> > funny stuff. The new series is good because it is adding funny stuff.
The
> > film and the last series took funny and clever stuff away.
>
> We've done those arguments. Lots.
And yet some can't understand and accuse 'DNA fanboys' of not accepting plot
changes.
Why do some people like making derogatory comments to others they disagree
with ? Or maybe we should call each other DNA fanboys all the time ?
Steve M
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #60851 ] |
Di, 14 Juni 2005 02:59 |
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"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote
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> I didn't like Colin's voice, though, but I'm probably hard to please,
> since I like Colin so much :-)
Me too. He doesn't sound too overjoyed. I've still enjoyed the scenes with
him and Ford. Some of the best bits maybe.
>
> One thing, though: They're cutting it close to get a proper handling of
> Random, the Perfectly Normal Beasts, the King's Domain, all of which I'm
> really looking forward to.
I wish they'd gone for 6 programs per book. I'm sure they could have filled
the time nicely.
> I buy it from the BBC, just as all the bits I missed from the Tertiary
> Phase were there.
Is the CD much better then ?
Steve M
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61366 ] |
Di, 14 Juni 2005 12:43 |
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iain wrote:
> "Blippie" <alt.aviation.roswell.wannabe.wannabe.wannabe> wrote in
> news:6JednWfQ-vf5MjDfRVnyhQ [at] brightview.com:
>
> >>DNA 'fanboys' just don't seem to get this - for some odd reason, they
> >>want a literal interpretation of the book.
> >
> > Which is what they got with the Tertiary Phase - and it didn't quite
> > come off, did it?
>
> Well, opinions vary as to the relative merits of the books, but I think
> the Tertiary Phase came off okay as an adaptation of LTUAE. It's just that
> LTUAE has a different feel, being largely a Dr Who story with Hitchhiker's
> characters shoe-horned into it (with varying degrees of success).
>
How odd. I always thought the original prototype version of LtU&E was
rejected by the Doctor Who people because it *didn't* feel like a
Doctor Who script.
Indeed, even the Doctor's new series with its increased budget probably
wouldn't attempt location filming at Lords' Cricket Ground of an alien
invasion destroying the place, with dead and wounded crickets and
spectators lying in the ruins.
The huge, epic scale of that battle alone should be enough to convince
*anyone* that this doesn't feel like Doctor Who!
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61371 ] |
Di, 14 Juni 2005 15:10 |
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"Steve Marshall" <sdm [at] atmosBlockA.plus.com> hit the keyboard.
Afterwards the following was on the screen:
> "Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote
>>
>> I didn't like Colin's voice, though, but I'm probably hard to please,
>> since I like Colin so much :-)
>
> Me too. He doesn't sound too overjoyed. I've still enjoyed the scenes with
> him and Ford. Some of the best bits maybe.
Who could possibly not like Colin much? Somehow I also think it could
be better though I do not really know how.
>> One thing, though: They're cutting it close to get a proper handling of
>> Random, the Perfectly Normal Beasts, the King's Domain, all of which I'm
>> really looking forward to.
>
> I wish they'd gone for 6 programs per book. I'm sure they could have filled
> the time nicely.
Yeah, I wish that too. Four fits per phase just seems too short - the
story seems to be rushed. But of course that may just be me.
>> I buy it from the BBC, just as all the bits I missed from the Tertiary
>> Phase were there.
>
> Is the CD much better then ?
I got my tertiary cd's last week and haven't had time to listen to
them yet (I got primary-quandary at the same time and have been knid
of busy) - so I do not know though on the cover it says "Episodes
specially extended for CD!".
/Rasmus
(who wonders where all those crosspost usenet groups not existing on
my news server comes from)
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61373 ] |
Di, 14 Juni 2005 16:55 |
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Steve Marshall wrote:
> "John Coxon" <rogue_nine_1988 [at] hotmail.com> wrote
> Steve Marshall wrote
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>>>To me it isn't 'the story' that is important - it's all the clever and
>>>funny stuff. The new series is good because it is adding funny stuff.
>
> The
>
>>>film and the last series took funny and clever stuff away.
>>
>>We've done those arguments. Lots.
>
>
> And yet some can't understand and accuse 'DNA fanboys' of not accepting plot
> changes.
>
> Why do some people like making derogatory comments to others they disagree
> with ? Or maybe we should call each other DNA fanboys all the time ?
Okay. YOU'RE ALL DNA FANBOYS!!!
Nope, didn't make me feel any better. But it was a lot easier than:
YOU ALL HAVE DIFFERING OPINIONS ON WHICH CHANGES, IF ANY, ARE GOOD, BUT
ANYONE DISAGREEING WITH MY POINT OF VIEW IS <<INSERT RUDE COMMENT HERE>>,
of course.
Best
Kåre
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61374 ] |
Di, 14 Juni 2005 16:59 |
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Steve Marshall wrote:
> "Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote
<snip>
>>I buy it from the BBC, just as all the bits I missed from the Tertiary
>>Phase were there.
>
> Is the CD much better then ?
I really think so. Practically all the places I found the radio version
story hard to follow or missed some joke it was on the CDs. It's only a
few minutes extra, but they make all the difference for the coherence
and timing of jokes.
So even though I really liked the radio version, I was really overjoyed
with the CD version. I recommend it warmly.
As I said, this is only for the tertiary version, since I haven't bough
the Quandary (or, of course, the Quintessential) yet, so there I cannot
no, except I think Gusty recommended Quandary a while back.
Best
Kåre
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61386 ] |
Mi, 15 Juni 2005 02:01 |
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"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote
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> So even though I really liked the radio version, I was really overjoyed
> with the CD version. I recommend it warmly.
>
Cheers. I'll have to spend some money ! (My series I and II are the tape
version so I want to get the CD sets of those too).
Steve M
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61387 ] |
Mi, 15 Juni 2005 02:19 |
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"Kaare Fiedler Christiansen" <news [at] kaarefc.dk> wrote
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> Okay. YOU'RE ALL DNA FANBOYS!!!
I am not a number !!!
Hmmm, wrong show .... .... or maybe not.
Strange comments for Froup use.
"Goodness, is there someone that likes DNA here ?"
"See that Gusty, he is a book reader !!!"
"I've seen the film, read the book and bought the T-shirt. And bought the
towell, and the other books which I've also read and the scripts too. I've
done the game, listened to the radio show(s), got the CD, played records and
tapes and the CDs. And the DVD of the TV show which I watched too. And I
have read Illustrated book, and biographies as well as Last Chance to see,
and the comics. I've used toothpicks, paper napkins and consumed a large
amount of tea. "
etc etc
Steve M
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61389 ] |
Mi, 15 Juni 2005 06:37 |
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<pippa.moran [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1118745790.288612.87770 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> The huge, epic scale of that battle alone should be enough to convince
> *anyone* that this doesn't feel like Doctor Who!
The mere fact that it can't be done in a Welsh quarry should do that :)
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| Re: Quint Phase Ep 2 [RADIO SERIES SPOILERS] [message #61942 ] |
Mi, 15 Juni 2005 19:18 |
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Have you been looking over my shoulder Steve?
Cheers,
Gary
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